Sep 7, 2013; Ann Arbor, MI, USA; Notre Dame Fighting Irish defensive lineman Stephon Tuitt (7) celebrates with teammates after recovering a fumble in the end zone for a touchdown during the fourth quarter against the Michigan Wolverines at Michigan Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Andrew Weber-USA TODAY Sports

Grading Steelers’ 2nd Day Picks


If you like optimism you should probably close this article now, because this will consist of me ripping the Steelers’ day two picks to shreds.  Look don’t get me wrong, I will be rooting for these guys to succeed harder than anybody and I hope to God that this draft turns out to be a good one for the Steelers, but I just don’t see that happening.  They over drafted two players and only managed to fill one need.  Ben Roethlisberger desperately needs a second wide receiver to complement Antonio Brown, but after three rounds of the draft he still doesn’t have one.  Big Ben is your best chance to win a Super Bowl in the near future and you gave him zero help except for a running back who will be lucky to get 5 touches a game.  Pathetic.  Now with the ranting out of the way, let’s get to the grades.

 

Round 2: Pick 46

The Pick: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

The Steelers’ front office actually managed to fill a need in the second round, they just did it with a player who should have gone in the mid or late third round.  Tuitt racked up eye popping stats in two years ago, but he had a broken foot and sports hernia this past year which limited his capability.  His weight ballooned to 330 pounds, which is unheard of for a five technique defensive end.  The thing that makes him unworthy of this pick is the tape.  Despite putting up nice stats two years ago, his tape leaves many things to be desired.  He fails to get of the line quickly and when he does he often stands up too tall and fails to get leverage.  Pretty much all he is good for is occupying one blocker and holding him on the offensive line.  That isn’t much help when your nose tackle is only 300 pounds and only occupies one blocker himself.  The only think we can hope is that John Mitchell and Dick LeBeau can work their magic and turn him into a legitimate starter in the NFL, don’t be too optimistic though.  I just don’t see it happening.

The Grade: C-

 

Round 3: Pick 97 (Compensatory)

Sept 8, 2012; Lexington, KY, USA; Kent State Golden Flashes running back Dri Archer runs a kick off return against the Kentucky Wildcats at Commonwealth Stadium. Credit: Mark Zerof-USA TODAY Sports

 

The Pick: Dri Archer, RB, Kent State

If you though I was bashing the Tuitt pick, you haven’t seen anything yet.  The Archer pick was abominable, incomprehensible, and last but not least, pathetic.  The Steelers’ front office over drafted a player that also didn’t fill a need.  Yes, I know he was the fastest player at the combine, but I don’t really care.  He’s a guy you have to manufacture touches for, and you simply don’t draft those players on day 2.  Period.  I feel like they forced this pick because they wanted a guy who could be what the team wanted Chris Rainey to be when they drafted him.  The good news is that Archer is better than Rainey, the bad news is that it doesn’t matter.  The bottom line is that the Steelers spent a third round pick on a guy who will be lucky to get 5 offensive touches a game.  I don’t care how good of a returner he is, that doesn’t make up for the lack of production he will provide on offense.  Unless he can average about ten yards per carry this pick won’t be worth it.  Big Ben needs red zone targets,  not necessarily tall ones, but guys who can catch the ball in tight spaces.  With Archer you have a guy who can’t be either.  Sigh.

The Grade: D+

 

If the Steelers want to win another Super Bowl with Big Ben at the helm they need to get him help at receiver and tight end, and as former NPC writer Dom Di Tolla has said all draft long, every time they pass up a receiver they slap him in the face.  These picks just don’t make sense no matter how you look at it.  I never though I’d say this, but Kevin Colbert needs to go, and he needs to go fast.  The Steelers need to get a GM who understands that if you want to win you need to draft guys who will make contributions.  Drafting an overrated defensive end and a player who doesn’t even have a clear position and will be lucky to get 5 offensive touches a game isn’t going to cut it.

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  • ralstar

    Archer is going to play slot receiver. Do you do any research before churning out this crap?

    • Craig

      Considering they showed game tape with him doing so, yes. Also there’s been talk about it as soon as he was drafted just mere hours ago. So where are you getting your hot steaming pile from?

    • Anthony Chiado

      If Archer starts out at slot receiver it won’t be for long. He runs awful routes and has bad hands for a receiver. But thanks for commenting

      • tlew

        I’m pretty sure all players drafted in the later rounds need work on routes…. but thanks for trying to respond to comm ed nuts it’s time to Ho back to the raven and browns forum thank you

        • Moneypenny76

          Late rounds? It was the 3rd round. There are good receivers still available in the 3rd round. This little munchkin is going to be seriously injured by week 4. We keep trying to force things with these tiny little speedy guys and it never works…. Chris Rainey, Larod Stephens-Howling, etc.

          • OVP66223

            WR were picked clean. What “good” WR did you have in mind? I sure didn’t see any worth drafting over a 4.13 blazer. Had we taken anyone else I would have felt it a reach, but drafting the fastest WR/RB hybrid in the draft was at least worth a risk, as opposed to the 12th ranked WR at 6’3″ and slow as molasses.

          • Anthony Chiado

            First, Jared Abbrederis and Bruce Ellington are both legitimate wide receivers who could have started week 1. Second, he did not run a 4.13 because he didn’t even set the record and that was set by Chris Johnson at 4.24. Third, Ellington and Abbrederis both ran a 4.50 or faster.

        • Anthony Chiado

          We could have had Jared Abbrederis with that pick and he runs by far the best routes of any receiver in the draft

          • prnitz

            Just curious. Are you related to this Jared whoever guy?

          • Anthony Chiado

            Nope. But I freaking love him

      • OVP66223

        He does not have bad hands Anthony, you’re making that up. He won’t have to run too nutty of routes. Slants and outs and fly patterns are in his future. Getting off the line might be an issue, but he is strong as an ox for his size (20 reps at 173 lbs is impressive).

        • Anthony Chiado

          He doesn’t have bad hands for a running back, but they are bad for a receiver. He just doesn’t fit as a full time slot receiver. He will probably line up there a few plays a game, but it won’t be full time.

  • ralstar

    Also, if you can only find 5 touches/game for him you have less of a clue than I thought. It’s about match-ups and Archer creates huge problems.

    • Kirby Hogenmiller

      Sorry I disagree the Steelers havent shown that they know how to use these players.Just look at Rainey and Howlings.

      • tlew

        Howling played for a single game and Rainey was a rookie? I don’t think that means they don t know how to use them does it??????

        • Kirby Hogenmiller

          They Fucking ran Rainey on power against the Bengals i think that shows they dont know how to use those types of player. They were lucky he scored on that td. those type of players are built for outside runs and dump off and screens not running them on a dive or power. Same thing with Howlings in that preseason game in which he got hurt they kept running him like he was an every down back and he ends up tearing his knee.

      • OVP66223

        They used Rainey, but he decided to beat up his girlfriend and got released. He would still be here putting up big stats had he an ounce of intelligence.

        • Anthony Chiado

          The one season that Rainey played he barely got any touches and put up woeful stats. Just to be clear, that means 26 rushes, 102 yards, 2 td’s, 14 receptions, and 60 yards. He would be putting up the same stats because all he can do is run in a straight line, anything else is asking him to do too much.

    • Anthony Chiado

      It doesn’t matter it he creates matchups if it is only for five maybe ten plays a game.

      • tlew

        I’m sorry but if the steelers Draft him in the 3rd round they are planning on using him more than 5 plays a game….

        • Moneypenny76

          I would be shocked if he gets more than that. Are we going to not give Bell the ball? Or Blount? Or is Ben not going to throw the ball?

          The guy will get very few touches…which would be okay if we didn’t have glaring needs at other positions. This was a luxury pick, and Pittsburgh is not in a position to be making self-indulgent picks like that right now. It’s fine to take a a guy like this early if you are a 12-4 team. Back to back 8-8 seasons means they have real holes they need to fill. They have not addressed their two biggest holes coming into the draft. That is why this was a terrible pick. Can the guy possibly add some value? Sure, if they use him correctly, but a decent CB would add much more value. A tall WR that can catch a jump ball in the end zone would add more value.

          • Anthony Chiado

            You hit it on the head

      • ralstar

        Actually it matters a lot…
        Mike Wallace averaged less than 5 touches per game and still made defenses gameplan for him. When you have that speed, it’s not always the touches that matter – it’s the ability to take one to the house any given play that opens things up underneath for the ABs of the world. Takes the top off a defense
        Again, don’t know how they plan on using Archer, but the “5 touch” premise of your argument is so fundamentally flawed it’s tough to even respond…

        • Anthony Chiado

          Mike Wallace created match up problems because he was on the field for every play, if they plan on doing that with Archer he will be hurt real fast. I agree with you that he will create matchup problems when he is on the field, but he won’t be on the field enough for those matchups problems to matter. Also, why is my argument fundamentally flawed? How do you suppose he gets more than five touches a game?

          • prnitz

            As a punt and kick returner alone who can seriously affect field position, I love the Archer addition.

          • Craig

            Pretty sure you can take KR out of the equation since the rules in the NFL now make it pretty difficult to return kicks on a regular basis.

          • OVP66223

            I can agree with that Craig. I heard on the draft analysis on ESPN about “kick returner” and I was thinking, how many are returnable now they moved the kickoff closer…not many. Punt returns could be electric, but not as easy given many a punt has to be fair caught or caught risking immediate hit…hope he is tough enough to do that.

      • OVP66223

        Anthony, you’re making baseless assumptions on playing time. Are you saying a 4th round rated tall WR taken in round 3 would play 40 snaps just because he isn’t 5’8″? I’d rather take a chance on a faster Darren Sproles than some plodding WR that was rated 15th at the position. There were a couple of sites that had Archer as 1st round material. I have no issue with him in round 3. I am not in love with tall WR just because they’re tall. The tall and GOOD ones were already gone. The tall and bust-ready ones were left.

  • Scott

    I’m with you Anthony as all 3 picks have been reaches and not addressed any needs going into the draft. This draft just goes to show why the Steelers have descended to middle of the pack as Colbert and Tomlin have no idea on how to judge talent and the roster is bereft of depth. At all 3 picks were players to meet the obvious holes at CB-WR-OL and we draft an overrated OLB to shift inside, an injury prone DE that takes plays off and a one dimensional RB that will see a handful of plays other than special teams. The only thing I’m happy about is the thought of Archer getting blown up on kicks instead of AB. The thoughts of DHB actually making the roster because of depth problems and not helping in the draft is laughable; he’s been a bust since the Raiders drafted him but we can find a home for him. Unfreaking believable!

    • OVP66223

      Not addressed needs? Are you mad? We had 3 starting LBs and needed a 4th badly. Add to that Worilds won’t be here next year (not doing another Woodley over pay for an injury prone OLB) and that we had all sorts of trouble covering TE and RBs and I would say LB was our BIGGEST need of all. Thank goodness most of the posters on NPC didn’t draft for us or we’d have a couple of slow WR and CBs on our hands.

      DL was also a huge need. The only sure fire starter is Heyward. Now we have an Aaron Smith clone in Tuitt (6’5″ and 300 lbs). This is NOT Ziggy Hood material, this is a real 3-4 DE.

      The small, but blazing WR, not sure about his ability to stay on the field and make plays, but at that speed (4.13) I am all for the risk of taking him in round 3. He makes Rainey look slow.

    • Anthony Chiado

      I agree Scott. This is why the Steelers aren’t one of the best franchises anymore. They are drafting like the Raiders right now.

  • ralstar

    My whole point (and I said this last night about the “analysis” of the Shazier pick – you can see it in the comments) is nobody on this site knows how the Steelers plan to use these guys, myself included. We don’t know how individual workouts went, how one-on-one interview went, etc. Did you honestly watch hundreds of hours of game tape? If you did, I would argue that time would have been better spent studying since you’re still in high school.
    To give grades a few hours after a pick is made, considering you still live with your parents, is pretty asinine. You don’t know how they plan on using them, you don’t know how others graded out except for reading Mel Kiper’s mock drafts, etc. Give these picks a chance. I’d be saying this if you had given the pick an A+ too. YOU HAVE NO IDEA if this was a good pick or not (spoiler, neither do I). Only time will tell.
    Why don’t you go back to the 2010 draft and give it grades. It’s a much better use of your time.
    And your smug little comment about Archer’s route running is also flat our wrong. Watch his tape.

    • Gene

      Most of you guys really suck and must be living with your mom. Morons. The first two picks are great and I will love to see you eat your words. Shay, a little early but just a little. He could be great and a great pair for Timmons. Speed. Good pick. Tuitt, awesome pick. You guys are morons. This last pick is by far the most questionable. Obviously, they think he is a big play maker. I don’t see it either but for sure they will use him and he will make some big plays. I think it could have been better spent, think we all do but he will make plays and could be big. Big could be….but to rake the first two, you have to be a moron. Ben can do it easily with what he has. A corner is what we really needed here. I agree with that.

    • OVP66223

      Shazier was a great pick. LB was a need. Covering TE and RBs was our worst ability last year. We needed speed and playmaking and Shazier is both. Plodding CB like Dennard or plodding LB like Mosley would not have filled any weakness…depth, sure, but not weaknesses. Tuitt was a steal in round 2. He was probably the best DL in college football in 2012 and only got taken back a bit in 2013 due to getting over a hernia. He is shaped just like Aaron Smith and fits the 3-4 DE much better than anyone they had, even Heyward. Hood was a bust because he was a 4-3 DT trying to play 3-4 DE.

    • Anthony Chiado

      You are absolutely right, we have no idea how they will turn out. So I am grading these picks based on where I had them rated and where I think the Steelers could have drafted them. So basically, I gave Shazier a bad grade because he doesn’t fill an immediate need. I gave Tuitt a bad grade because I don’t like him until the third and they could have gotten him in a trade back IMO. I gave Archer a bad grade because he is a reach and also doesn’t fill a need. Also, FYI, I didn’t watch hundreds of hours of tape. But I definitely watched enough to evaluate the players. I already did go back and grade the 2012 and 2013 drafts so you can go back and comment on how I was wrong with those if you like.
      I did watch Archer’s tape, 4 games to be exact. Did you?

  • Steeler T

    I’m doing my best not to be disrespectful but your analysis is clueless. Number one, any time you have a home run hitter on the field the defense must game plan for him. Dri Archer is that guy. Have you not watched the highlights. This guy has Deon Sanders speed. He’s pulling away from guys effortlessly in second gear. There is no substitute for speed. Darren Sproles and Reggie Bush are the obvious recent example, but going all the way back to Dave Meggot of the NY Giants, these players instantly change the momentum of games from any where on the field. You don’t have to worry about the red zone if you’re able to score from any distance on the field. Based on the way this offense is designed, quick passes and let your receivers handle the rest, he’s perfect. Big Ben has plenty of weapons. And you forget Wheaton is another burner, and he’s the next man up. The Steelers are drafting the best available athletes. And speed is the prime directive. The Steelers are having a fantastic draft. Three good athletes, that will pay off immediately. Finally on the obsession over the big receiver — Wes Welker is not big and seems to score plenty in the red zone easily — Hines Ward was a good red zone guy. It’s not about size, its about the ability to get open in crowded spaces, and having strong hands.

    • Anthony Chiado

      You don’t scout by watching highlights, you scout from watching film. Dri Archer simply won’t be able to have a big enough impact when he won’t be able to be on the field for enough plays a game.
      You do still have to worry about red zone offense because the majority of the time you won’t be able to score from far out. No matter how fast a guy is, in the NFL no one will be that much slower than him. Look at Chris Johnson, he is faster than Archer is but he is a washed up running back because people learned how to counter his speed. That’s all it takes.
      I don’t care about big receivers either, and I absolutely agree with you that we don’t need one. We need a red zone receiver. Which is why I wanted them to take Jarvis Landry or Davante Adams in the second and Bruce Ellington in the third.

  • steve

    Yesterday this guy was saying the first pick sucked and now he is saying it might be ok??? WTF do you just read what other people say and spew it back up?

  • steve

    This guy said the same thing about yesterdays pick and today he totally changed his tune about it….dont worry when he goes home and reads other analysis, tomorrow he will be saying something totally different.

  • Brandon Smith

    Terrible. Just a terrible analysis. Colbert doesn’t know how to evaluate talent…lol. Maybe you don’t?

    • Anthony Chiado

      Please go and take a look at the Steelers last 5 drafts. The lack of talent that they have gotten is shocking. And when they do get talent he is gone by his second deal. Look at Mike Wallace, Keenan Allen, and Kraig Urbik

      • Kirby Hogenmiller

        And when they resign that talent they get fat and lazy like Woodley.

  • scott sinclair

    Man are you off on this. Archer solves a huge need in the return game and will be a nice change of pace back, more that a slot receiver. I see him getting 5-8 carries a game. A little high for him? Maybe but solves a huge need. Tuitt will be solid. Would have preferred Nix, but I was happy with the pick.

  • Mike Clingan

    i just watch a highlight film of dra archer and i think i seen him make the 5th pick in the draft look like a rookie lol wish i could post it here just so some of you guys that have no idea what this guy brings to the steelers could see i think we will be happy when he is leading the league in kickoff returns

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  • Mangler

    Anthony, I think you were overly generous in your ratings. Baltimore, Cincinnati, and especially CLEVELAND !! have out drafted them …I really don’t see any great value in any of their selections… I sure hope I am wrong.